The Legacy- Underground Seas Tournament

Posted: December 9, 2010 by mythosloric in Announcements, Event, MTG, News
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Parking for today

Park in parking lot 7. Then walk left of the parking lot entrance, towards the higher parking lot numbers, and towards the apartment buildings.  If you get to a building called Evergreen, your going the right way. Look out for us. Our staff will be there to show you the way.

 

 

MAIN EVENT
Saturday, February 19th (Doors open at 9:00AM)
UMass Dartmouth Gaming Society Legacy Tournament
Start Time:11AM
Entry Fee: $15 with Umass Pass, $30 without
Format: Legacy
Structure: Swiss
Head Judge: Daniel Beaupre

Prizes:
1st: NM Play-Set of Underground Seas
2nd: NM Play-Set of Force of Wills
3rd: NM Play-Set of Wastelands
4th: NM Play-Set of Polluted Deltas
Packs of Mirrodin Besieged awarded based on attendance

SIDE EVENTS
Drafts ($10)-
There will be drafts starting with the 3rd, 5th and 7th round of the main event.
3 packs of Mirrodin Besieged
Sealed ($20)-
Based on demand.

REGISTRATION
In person registration begins at 9 AM, and ends 10 minutes before the event is scheduled to start. Any player who wants to enroll after registration has ended will not be able to do so. However, preregistered players are required to show up only a minimum of 30 minutes before the start of the tournament for deck checking.

EVENT SITE
Woodland Commons at the University of Massachusetts- Dartmouth
285 Old Westport Road North Dartmouth, MA 02747-2300
Email: UMDGamingSociety@gmail.com

DIRECTIONS
Right off 195 east of Fall River and west of New Bedford. For directions to the venue, check out Google Maps.

NEED CARDS?
Buy, sell and trade with a selection of dealers, any dealer interested in vending at this event should contact us at dmilgate@umassd.edu
TRADING
Although trading is both allowed and encouraged, please note that the following actions are not permitted at this event:
-Buying/selling cards with anyone except for our authorized dealer(s)
-Using an excessive amount of space when trading
-Offering to “alter” cards in exchange for some form of compensation
-Using suitcases, handcarts, luggage carts, etc. for the purpose of transporting excessive amounts of trade stock.

Failure to obey these rules may result in all involved parties being both removed from the event without refund, and banned from attending our future events.

MORE INFORMATION
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Comments
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  2. Steve says:

    I just saw this on TheSource and came here to make sure the info was accurate. I didn’t want to post there because I have some critical things to say, and I legitimately don’t want to give you bad press as I would like this thing to succeed, but I have some reservations, mostly about the prize support to price ratio.

    First, I’d like to say I think you guys did a great job getting the cards to be able to run this in the first place, and I hope it’s the first of many. However, I just don’t think the numbers add up.

    Thirty dollar entry is pretty significant. From my experience, only three types of tournaments are that expensive: Sealed Deck (due to all the product), tournaments with thousands of dollars in prizes (SCGs and GPs), or Vintage/Legacy torunaments where the first prize is a Black Lotus. $15-25 is much more in line with what people expect to pay for the average tournament.

    Second, not guaranteeing it until 40 people seems really steep. If I were someone that had to travel from a significant distance away, I probably wouldn’t go to this for fear of traveling all that way and not be able to play for the prizes. At 40 people, you’re saying that you need to take in $1200 before you can give out all the prizes. Even if we go by SCG (which is notoriously overpriced on staples) and NM/M prices, you get:

    Underground Sea: $99.99 x 4 = $400
    Force of Will: $49.99 x 4 = $200
    Wasteland: $29.99 x 4 = $120
    Polluted Delta: $24.99 x 4 = $100
    Total: $820

    So you have to take in $1200 before you guarantee $820 in prizes (and let’s not forget that $820 is a generous estimate)? A lot of people aren’t going to see the value in that. Now, I understand that there may be additional costs, such as possible cost of venue and/or staff (even though, since it’s at a college being run by a college organization, I doubt that these are high. But I’ll give you the benefit of the doubt). I’m also not including the MBS packs that were mentioned but not defined. Still, I think a lot of people expect better than that.

    Compare it to another Legacy tournament being held on the same weekend in NY:
    Entry fee: $20 pre-reg, $25 day of
    Prizes (based on 24 people)
    1st: 4 Underground Sea
    2nd: English Moat
    3rd: 4 Force of Will
    4th: 4 Wasteland.

    So for $5-10 and 16 people less, they replace the 4 Delta with a Moat. It’s not the most fair comparison to draw, since this is being held by a store and they probably only had to pay buy prices on the cards, but players don’t look at it that way. If they are used to tournaments like that, then that’s what they’ll expect every time.

    Don’t get me wrong; your prizes are great. I would love the chance to play for a playset of Undergrounds or Forces. I just don’t want to have to pay $30 and compete against 40+ people to do it, and I don’t think I’m alone with that sentiment. As I said before, I’m posting this here instead of TheSource because I am only doing this out of CONSTRUCTIVE criticism, as I want this tournament (and hopefully future ones) to succeed. It’s just that, in my honest opinion and with the current price, I don’t think you’ll get the turnout you’re hoping for. My personal suggestion would be to lower the price, though lowering the number of people at which prizes are guaranteed would also help (just not to as great an extent as lowering the price).

    If there’s nothing you can do, or if there are just a ton of financials that I’m unaware of, then so be it. Just my two cents. Good Luck.

    • mythosloric says:

      I’d love to know where that tournament is being held as the best one i could find was a invitational by Jupiter games for 25$ for dual land, with the general cost of cards rising and some other expenses we do need to consider we cant really aford to go lower also we have to consider our market the general cost of a “high paying” tournament is 25-35$ at the moment for legacy with prizes ranging from 300-5k however most of those tournaments are held by stores which make money off of selling cards we have to make all the money we spend off of just the entrance fee and most of those high paying tournaments can get upwards of 100-200 people I have seen (recently) a tournament in NY that had a 30$ entry had 200 people and had only 12 dual lands for top 3 to split and another card for forces for 4th, (the duals were revised aka not as pricey as they could be) and 40 is a rough estimate we are re-evaluating the number we need and will either make it tentative or an exact number soon, either way I hope you will still be joining us. it will be a fun day!

    • TheFunGuy says:

      The problem with this figure for financial balance, besides overhead, is that the price is significantly lower for on-campus players.

      If we assume 50% of the 40 required players will be local students ( since the advertising is more intensive on campus, the price is cheaper, and many can walk there instead of incurring travel expenses), then we get 75% of the projected income that would happen if everyone were paying $30. For 40 people, they’d take in $900 instead of 1200, which barely covers the guaranteed prizes, and doesn’t come close to covering the event cost.
      More than likely, it’ll be greater than half local players, for the same reason, skewing the numbers even further.

      Also to consider is the metagame difference when figuring a change in barriers to entry. People paying $30 and coming a long way are probably bringing their best, top tier decks with them. Local students with lower entry costs can come in with whatever they have built and not care as much if it’s not top-tier. This means a less-developed metagame, and potentially even greater odds for the off-campus people paying premium price.

      So yes, you could travel to NY, play for $5 less at the door, and have slightly better prize support, with a tougher crowd of players to fight through for it.

      Or, you can come to Dartmouth, pay a little more, and have a potentially larger tournament with a lot of people who are less concerned with having the ‘best’ deck and more concerned with having fun on a Saturday.

      If you’re coming from anywhere this side of the MA/Ny line, I’d say you come to Dartmouth, the $5 difference will be be nominal compared to travel costs anyway.

      And if you’re local and get to play for cheap, you’re coming, definitely.

  3. Steve says:

    Yeah I didn’t want to compare you guys to Jupiter games because I knew that would be unfair, since they are a huge store with a history of running huge tournaments. This is the link to the tournament to which I was referring:

    http://www.mtgthesource.com/forums/showthread.php?19714-Seas-More-Feb-20th-Comic-Depot-in-Saratoga-Springs

    Anyway, thanks for the explanation, and I hope to be able to see you guys on the 19th!

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